or leave your damn backups on the fn server and forget about it!@!!@. I can copy them offsite without deleting. that way if i have an issue to resolve going back i can do that or if i have a meltdown i can restore from an offsite file. i am prepared to set up a new system and restore if i have to this isn't a case for that i just need to use something akin to system restore in windows just a go-back machine. i was able to solve my issue and i made a new golden backup and its resident in my backup directory on my server and copied offsite. problem solved. thanks again.