No IP Blacklist Available in Cloud Console

[Tech Michigan]

Happy Saturday all,

I have just spun up a 3CX-hosted SMB server.

After launching an SBC from the dashboard, after a singular attempt to login with my admin credentials, I get notified of the account being locked due to "too many failed attempts. Contact your administrator."

I am the administrator. From what I can see, there is no IP blacklist on this console like you would see in an on-prem deployment.

I'm not interested in waiting 24 hours for this system to fail again.

Please advise.

Regards,

 

[Alejandro_3CX]

Happy Saturday all,

I have just spun up a 3CX-hosted SMB server.

After launching an SBC from the dashboard, after a singular attempt to login with my admin credentials, I get notified of the account being locked due to "too many failed attempts. Contact your administrator."

I am the administrator. From what I can see, there is no IP blacklist on this console like you would see in an on-prem deployment.

I'm not interested in waiting 24 hours for this system to fail again.

Please advise.

Regards,

Hi, are you sure that you are using the link ending with webclient?

 

[Tech Michigan]

Hi, are you sure that you are using the link ending with webclient?

Good afternoon Alejandro, I apprecaite the swift response.

Yes, I am logged into the following url without issue, and spun up the SBC from here:https://xxxx.3cx.cloud/webclient.

Then I followed the instructions provided through the SBC wizard, which tells me the following:
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1. Download the3CX SBC ISO
2. Select "3CX SBC Version" when prompted
3. Select "OK" to verify the "3CX Pre-requisites"
4.Enter the "Provisioning URL":https://xxxx.3cx.cloud
5.Enter the "Authentication Key ID":xxxxxxxxxxx
6. Proceed to install and restart
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I can get to the "https://xxxx.3cx.cloud/#/login" page, but any attempt to use any credentials immediate locks me out.
I presume it's an IP blacklist, but the admin page in the webclient url does not have an IP blacklist section that I can see.

Thanks,

 

[Tech Michigan]

How long do messages generally take to get approved by moderators...?

 

[TheodorosG_3CX]

Are you still blacklisted? What is the ip phone that is used to provision as a router phone and what is the firmware version?

 

[Tech Michigan]

Are you still blacklisted? What is the ip phone that is used to provision as a router phone and what is the firmware version?

I am still blacklisted, yes. I am not using a router phone, as it is suggested but not required for deployments of this size. I have 4 users.

You're missing the point and disregarding the question/issue at hand. My concern is with the lack of administrative control granted to the administrators of of your "3cx-hosted cloud servers."

I've already decided to handle this on my own without your support, and I'll most likely use a different vendor.

 

[bitn2]

I can get to the "https://xxxx.3cx.cloud/#/login" page, but any attempt to use any credentials immediate locks me out.

This is the admin console and this is not reachable from your side. You need to use the webclient. When you tried to setup a routerphone, which one is it and did you used the correct firmware?

 

[Tech Michigan]

@bitn2, you also did not read the entire message before responding.

Here is the direct quote from my response, just a few lines up from what you did read:
"Yes, I am logged into the following url without issue, and spun up the SBC from here:https://xxxx.3cx.cloud/webclient."

I'll handle it from here guys.

Regards.

 

[bitn2]

@bitn2, you also did not read the entire message before responding.

Here is the direct quote from my response, just a few lines up from what you did read:
"Yes, I am logged into the following url without issue, and spun up the SBC from here:https://xxxx.3cx.cloud/webclient."

I'll handle it from here guys.

Regards.

I did read your message and you didnt answer my questions...

 

[Tech Michigan]

. When you tried to setup a routerphone, which one is it and did you used the correct firmware?

Also, just so you guys can perhaps handle these cases more adequately, here is another quote you must have skipped before replying:
"I am not using a router phone."

 

[bitn2]

Ok, when you tried to setup an SBC. Where did you installed the SBC? Did you used the correct auth key?

Can you still login here:https://xxxx.3cx.cloud/webclient

 

[Tech Michigan]

Ok, when you tried to setup an SBC. Where did you installed the SBC? Did you used the correct auth key?

Can you still login here:https://xxxx.3cx.cloud/webclient

From the following url: xxx.3cx.cloud/webclient/#/office/numbers-and-messaging, I followed the "Add SBC" wizard provided.
This was the output (some details removed for op-sec)
SBC was added successfully.

How to Install
Read full instructions

here
1. Download the3CX SBC ISO
2. Select "3CX SBC Version" when prompted
3. Select "OK" to verify the "3CX Pre-requisites"
4.Enter the "Provisioning URL":https://xxxx.3cx.cloud
5.Enter the "Authentication Key ID":xxxxxxxxxxx
6. Proceed to install and restart


Full disclosure and hopefully some useful context here:

I have been an Advanced Certified 3CX Engineer for 8 years. I've worked for/with many Gold Partners.
I am a full-time Network Engineer for a large corporation, and I own/operate my LLC to provide networking, security, and VOIP solutions for all of my clients.

The only provider I've ever trusted is 3CX.

The bulk of my experience is with On-Prem deployments, which I am realizing is considered legacy at this point.

My current scenario is as follows:

I have a client with an on-prem physical Windows server which hosts a version 18 3CX installation. They have 5 users in total, and don't plan to exceed 8. Due to many constraints that their building and location put on their business (they lose power on a weekly basis and I support them remotely) I have decided to pursue a cloud deployment to alleviate the stress of supporting an on-prem configuration.

I was heavily considering an AWS EC2 instance (windows or debian) that I could administer on my own.
Though I saw the opportunity to have it hosted by you guys, which is where we're at now.

Let me know if I can answer any more questions, as it's quite possible I am new enough to the cloud config for 3cx that I have either misconfigured or missed a few steps along the way.

Thank you.

** Edit, since I believe I did not answer your initial question. **

I did not install an SBC anywhere after the SBC installation/setup wizard on the web client was complete.
This may be where I misunderstood the direction. I have an AWS account for this client, and have the liberty to spin up as many instances as needed for this deployment.

Yes, I am currently logged into the webclient as we speak.

Thanks again.

 

[bitn2]

Ok, no i understand what you did or what your problem is. If you have a SMB/Free instance from 3cx you didnt have a management console like installs on premise or cloud. If you have a dedicated install on premise or somewhere else in the cloud (not 3cx) you still have a management console like before. So you have to configure everything from you webclient and not from the management console. You only can login to the webclient! To provision hardware phones you need an SBC or an router phone to connect them to the 3cx.

 

[Tech Michigan]

Ok, no i understand what you did or what your problem is. If you have a SMB/Free instance from 3cx you didnt have a management console like installs on premise or cloud. If you have a dedicated install on premise or somewhere else in the cloud (not 3cx) you still have a management console like before. So you have to configure everything from you webclient and not from the management console. You only can login to the webclient! To provision hardware phones you need an SBC or an router phone to connect them to the 3cx.

Understood!

So, I'm curious if I can setup my own self-managed cloud instance (in aws ec2) and set the phones to STUN (realizing the security risks) and have the PBX deliver audio?

I'm not certain if the audio quality/performance would be lacking if I did it that way.

Any information would be much apprecaited.

Thanks,

 

[TheodorosG_3CX]

@Tech Michigan As has been stated the SMB will not give you the options of all the other installations. Also it was never mentioned that the On-Premise is in Legacy state.
If you want to have full control of the installation you can continue with On-premise or use your self-hosted option(you mentioned AWS). Moving from on-premise to self-hosted will require that the phones are connected remotely. The STUN provisioning is insecure(as you also mentioned), and can cause several issues. Even if "PBX Delivers Audio" is enabled, you will still have to make port forwarding locally but keep in mind that STUN is not supported.
In conclusion, if you need full control use the above options and i highly recommend the SBC for the phones(or much better a router phone), it will really help you to avoid any connectivity or audio issues.
If you still want to have control(not full though) use a 3CX Hosted, for easy installation, connectivity and monitoring is from 3CX.

 

[Tech Michigan]

@TheodorosG_3CX Good morning and thank you for the information you've provided.

During the installation/setup stages of a 3CX PBX, the on-prem (self-managed) option states "Legacy."
The only reason I say this is to make sure you guys aren't spreading more disinformation about your own products. Thousands of people, such as myself, come here for answers. I just want to make sure they/we get the correct ones.

I wanted to say a huge thank you again to both @TheodorosG_3CX and @bitn2 for the information you guys have provided over the last few days. This has helped tremendously in expediting my decision making for my client.
As it stands, I am not paying for any 3CX support, and I was at a loss a few days ago with my cloud deployment,

@Alejandro_3CX responded to my initial question within minutes, and you guys have been responsive and generous throughout the entire process.

The support you guys are willing to provide through these forums to customers is truly incredible.

You have my gratitude.

Cheers.

 

[TheodorosG_3CX]

Thank you for the heads up, happy to assist anytime