Other vendors don't seem to need a SBC...

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I have been installing 3CX for a couple years now for small to midsize companies with 15-20 Yealink T42S and T46S phones -- all of them on SIP.US trunks. About half of them have SBC's (the ones who have complained about choppy/ghost calls). We have a client using vonage business and about ~40 Cisco SPA504G VoIP phones (and some SPA301 and 303's), and they want us to upgrade them to 3CX (yay!). My question is, how have they been getting away with good call quality for years (granted they do have times where a call might drop or one-way audio, but it is very RARE, so rare that when I ask them the last time a call was bad they cannot remember) when they're all STUN and on the same network and don't have anything like the SBC in place?
 
They have a SBC, it's just not client side. And the SBC has nothing to do with call quality. No audio or one-way audio is not a call quality, it's just no audio. Dropped calls are not audio quality problems.
 
Got it. I am not an expert on VoIP/SIP so I will just accept that :) We have only 6 Yealink phones in our office with a SBC. I went to upgrade our 3CX to ver 16 last week but before doing that, I changed them all to STUN to make the upgrade easier (since SBC provisioning process has changed a little recently). Within a day everyone was screaming at me to fix it! Calls would come in, and we couldn't hear the person. Put the phones back on the SBC and will do the upgrade some time in the future. Thanks again for your time and input.
 
Got it. I am not an expert on VoIP/SIP so I will just accept that :) We have only 6 Yealink phones in our office with a SBC. I went to upgrade our 3CX to ver 16 last week but before doing that, I changed them all to STUN to make the upgrade easier (since SBC provisioning process has changed a little recently). Within a day everyone was screaming at me to fix it! Calls would come in, and we couldn't hear the person. Put the phones back on the SBC and will do the upgrade some time in the future. Thanks again for your time and input.

you could do it in STUN, but with unique SIP and RTP ports (under Phone Provisioning). Also, static port forwarding and static IP helps a lot.
 
There are two basic roles for SBC; firewall/NAT traversal and security. The 3CX SBC is focused primarily on the first. Hosted providers like Vonage/Ring Central/etc have SBCs on the hosted end so endpoint traffic hits the SBCs and then the actual SIP servers. It doesn't really matter where the SBC is (client side or cloud/server side), just that it's in the path. 3CX does not have a server/cloud SBC solution although there are products out there, both commercial and open-source that can be configured to do so and eliminate the need for a local SBC.
 
I have run several hosted PBX's each with 15-20 phones all in STUN.
With unique SIP and RTP ports... just as @Frederick Marcoux is saying.
No issues at all.
Phones are a mix of Yealink, Grandstream and Cisco.
 
I have run several hosted PBX's each with 15-20 phones all in STUN.
With unique SIP and RTP ports... just as @Frederick Marcoux is saying.
No issues at all.
Phones are a mix of Yealink, Grandstream and Cisco.

Why do you hate yourself? :cool: In all seriousness it's certainly doable but it's an administrative headache if you do it by the book, and if you don't and just get lucky because the firewall plays nice you are at the mercy of a phone firmware update or firewall update and then it all falls down. SBC just works.
 
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3CX does not have a server/cloud SBC solution although there are products out there, both commercial and open-source that can be configured to do so and eliminate the need for a local SBC

Do you have some examples of Cloud SBC solutions?
 
http://www.natpass.com is one option. It's commercially available and you can get it from distribution. A former 3CX channel manager works there now and I can provide contact information if you PM me. I believe this is the same platform a large (former?) 3CX partner used and currently resells which may also be an option if you wanted to get it from someone who is also familiar with 3CX.

Ribbon SWe would also probably work and is available from a different distributor who I really like and I can provide contact information via PM as well.
 
How does a cloud SBC is working ? o_O
 
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